Seems the thread still has a bit of a pulse.
Biological machines vs cybernetic machines, BTS and besty? Brings science fiction to mind. However, I think I have to agree with BTS on this one. Stem cell breakthroughs will pave the way.
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Population 7 billion. Changes ahead.
by Lion Cask inaccording to the world population clock, we're going to hit the magic 7 billion number this year.
that's 7,000,000,000,000 living human beings on this planet.
the world is about to change, again.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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But you do go on and on, don't you?
Do you really want to know the truth? Or do you believe you know it already?
Good night, California.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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Golly, I hope that's not the case. Sort of reminds me of the whole WTBTS mindset: they can ask YOU questions and you can read THEIR literature, but you can't ask THEM questions and they're certainly not going to read YOUR literature. I see nothing wrong with someone being 100% convinced, dear one.
It seems almost you come across as a kind of gunslinger. I could almost suspect you've taken a mind to make me see things the way you do, because you're 100% convinced you would prevail. And the reference to the WTS is maybe a little ironic. I don't want to convince you of anything, my dear. You've got to get there by yourself and for that you need to open your mind. I've been where you are and I was there a long, long time. Have you been where I am? Would you want to be where I am, if you were to arrive at the realisation that what you believe is an illusion? No. Didn't think so.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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IMHO, it would, dear LC (peace to you!), but I notice that when someone like myself does, we are labled as "crazy" (by both those who claim to believe and those who don't).
But you have endured nevertheless, Shelley. March 26, 2001 is going on a decade now. (And you still haven't adopted an avatar?) You are at the very least a tough old bird. There is a fine line between genius and insanity, after all. I hope I will never be so ungracious to accuse you of insanity when from my perspective all of us are insane to some degree. If I should waiver and call you nuts, you have my permission to call me a hypocrite. (I was going to use the pot/kettle analogy, but I glean from reading your posts that that might not be appropriate.)
And I will read your contributions as I encounter them, as I have just now, but the depth to which I will truly read and digest them, at least until I discern that you have something truly unique and enlightening to contribute, will be directly proportional to their length. That, I think you might agree, is not entirely unreasonable. I hope not to be indelicate, (and please be assured that you are not the only one - there are some long time posters in here who have piqued my interest with their apparent intellect and for that reason have prompted me to seek out threads they have started, only to lose me at the getgo by writing massive tomes unrealistically demanding far too much of my time) but you do have a tendency to, um, draw the point out a bit beyond my attention span. My fault, perhaps, but you need not provide a feast at every sitting, my dear.
Last thought. Rhetoric is not evidence. Evidence is observable and measurable and that is the key to admission into my brain and others of my bent. Show me the evidence.
Peace back atcha, sister.
Edit: You're not one of those at the far right of the bell curve, are you? 100% convinced? If so, we have nothing to talk about.
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Was It a Fig Tree From Which Eve and Adam Ate?
by snowbird inbook of jasher .
14 and it was in the fifty-sixth year of the life of lamech when adam died; nine hundred and thirty years old was he at his death, and his two sons, with enoch and methuselah his son, buried him with great pomp, as at the burial of kings, in the cave which god had told him.
15 and in that place all the sons of men made a great mourning and weeping on account of adam; it has therefore become a custom among the sons of men to this day.
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Sorry, TD. Your posts are for the most part informative, lucid and intelligent. I've even gone back to read others you've done. But sometimes one just can't, you know, suppress his thoughts .... vis
Ok, I'll be a good boy now.
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Was It a Fig Tree From Which Eve and Adam Ate?
by snowbird inbook of jasher .
14 and it was in the fifty-sixth year of the life of lamech when adam died; nine hundred and thirty years old was he at his death, and his two sons, with enoch and methuselah his son, buried him with great pomp, as at the burial of kings, in the cave which god had told him.
15 and in that place all the sons of men made a great mourning and weeping on account of adam; it has therefore become a custom among the sons of men to this day.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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Labels don't help, either. We are a normal distribution, aka a bell curve. On one extreme are the absolute atheists who will not under any circumstances entertain the slightest notion that there might be a God. On the other extreme are the absolute theists who will not under any circumstances entertain the slightest notion that there might not be a God. Both extremes are insufferably close minded, but the latter extreme for whatever reason is more populous than the former.
I'm way over on the left hand side of the curve but not at the extreme. I am not so arrogant as to believe with absolute certainty that God does not exist but I am absolutely certain that I have yet to see compelling evidence of it. Show me the evidence and I will entertain it. I ask in return only that you reciprocate, otherwise just go away.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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Of course, another dynamic at play is the partially open mind. In this case, when evidence doesn't fit the fact but it is overwhelmingly logical, we simply alter the dimensions of the fact a little to accomodate the evidence. Theists believing in evolution an example.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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I concur generally with what you have just said, Satanus, but I think the greater dynamic is more like incredulity than interpretation.
When our mind is closed we accept our position as irrefutable fact. When presented with evidence that does not mesh with our irrefutable fact, we reject the evidence. It does not fit, therefore it is wrong.
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Non-evidence reasons why people embrace Evolution.
by hooberus inevolutionists always claim that the reason why they believe in evolution and reject creation is due to "evidence".
they frequently use the opposite term "no evidence" in relation to any type of intelligent design, or creation, (and especially to genesis creation and flood history !).
their advocated beliefs always tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the existence of the universe, world, and its creatures without needing god).
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Lion Cask
Would it not be refreshing if people just stood alone and expressed themselves rather than standing on the shoulders of others whose opinions mesh with their own?
